As of 7th October 2015, this text down to the "LEGOLAND TRAFFIC" button has been added at the top of this section.
Subsequent to RBWM's rejection of LEGOLAND's application for the creation of a proposed "Haunted House" attraction at LEGOLAND Windsor, LEGOLAND appealed against the decision.
From Tuesday 6th October 2015 until Friday 9th October, there is an Inquiry by the Planning Inspectorate, at Royal Windsor Racecourse.
I attended on the 6th and read out the objection statement that can be obtained by clicking on the following button.
My conclusions in that document are as follows;
LEGOLAND have pointed out that Local Authorities must secure the expeditious movement of traffic on their own road network and also facilitate the expeditious movement of traffic on road networks for which another authority is the traffic authority. This will be best achieved by RBWM and the Planning Inspectorate refusing all LEGOLAND expansion plans.
LEGOLAND Windsor currently imposes traffic difficulties on Windsor Residents and any LEGOLAND expansion would make these difficulties worse. The Local Authority and the Planning Inspectorate should consider this as a reason for disallowing any further LEGOLAND Windsor expansion.
Residents should not be obliged by the Local Authority and / or the Planning Inspectorate to accept that an international business with premises in their area will be allowed to continually expand whilst imposing more traffic on them.
Holyport Residents strongly object to LEGOLAND and Local Authority attempts to impose LEGOLAND traffic onto Holyport Roads, and seek to convince RBWM to disallow the use of LEGOLAND Route 3 and the Planning Inspectorate to disallow this appeal.
Other points I mentioned were;
I consider that the concept of decanting traffic from motorways into rural roads, using the latter as moving car parks and inconveniencing residents so as to enable LEGOLAND Windsor to continue growing is inappropriate and unacceptable.
Having outlined traffic problems in the Holyport Area, I claimed that all of these poor road design matters make it unwise, improper, inappropriate and irresponsible for LEGOLAND and / or RBWM to actively promote or agree to an increase of traffic through Holyport.
I believe that LEGOLAND Windsor will continue to attempt all possible expansion, and that such expansion would cause any space made available on Windsor’s roads by diverting traffic through Holyport and Bray Parish roads to soon become filled again by LEGOLAND traffic.
Subsequent to RBWM's rejection of LEGOLAND's application for the creation of a proposed "Haunted House" attraction at LEGOLAND Windsor, LEGOLAND appealed against the decision.
From Tuesday 6th October 2015 until Friday 9th October, there is an Inquiry by the Planning Inspectorate, at Royal Windsor Racecourse.
I attended on the 6th and read out the objection statement that can be obtained by clicking on the following button.
My conclusions in that document are as follows;
LEGOLAND have pointed out that Local Authorities must secure the expeditious movement of traffic on their own road network and also facilitate the expeditious movement of traffic on road networks for which another authority is the traffic authority. This will be best achieved by RBWM and the Planning Inspectorate refusing all LEGOLAND expansion plans.
LEGOLAND Windsor currently imposes traffic difficulties on Windsor Residents and any LEGOLAND expansion would make these difficulties worse. The Local Authority and the Planning Inspectorate should consider this as a reason for disallowing any further LEGOLAND Windsor expansion.
Residents should not be obliged by the Local Authority and / or the Planning Inspectorate to accept that an international business with premises in their area will be allowed to continually expand whilst imposing more traffic on them.
Holyport Residents strongly object to LEGOLAND and Local Authority attempts to impose LEGOLAND traffic onto Holyport Roads, and seek to convince RBWM to disallow the use of LEGOLAND Route 3 and the Planning Inspectorate to disallow this appeal.
Other points I mentioned were;
I consider that the concept of decanting traffic from motorways into rural roads, using the latter as moving car parks and inconveniencing residents so as to enable LEGOLAND Windsor to continue growing is inappropriate and unacceptable.
Having outlined traffic problems in the Holyport Area, I claimed that all of these poor road design matters make it unwise, improper, inappropriate and irresponsible for LEGOLAND and / or RBWM to actively promote or agree to an increase of traffic through Holyport.
I believe that LEGOLAND Windsor will continue to attempt all possible expansion, and that such expansion would cause any space made available on Windsor’s roads by diverting traffic through Holyport and Bray Parish roads to soon become filled again by LEGOLAND traffic.
The entry below now shows an email sent by Andrew Cormie on 24th June 2015.
To RBWM Bray Ward Councillors and Bray Parish Councillors,
You are already aware that meetings have taken place between Legoland and RBWM - and in the past Cllr Hill has given you information on Legoland's attempted traffic trials.
Information on this is outlined in the SUMMARY below and on the HRA website http://www.holyportresidentsassociation.org/legoland-traffic.html under tab "Local Items" and "Legoland Traffic" - where the text of this email is repeated.
It seems wrong that some RBWM Councillors are assisting Legoland to cause traffic difficulties for an area represented by other RBWM Councillors.
I believe I am acting in the best interests of Bray Parish Residents in asking RBWM Bray Ward Councillors and Bray Parish Council to make clear to all RBWM Councillors and to Legoland that they will never accept the placement of any road signs or wording placed on Motorway signs routing Legoland traffic through Bray Parish, and will not ever agree that there are any official Legoland routes from or to Legoland via Oakley Green Road, Forest Green Road, Drift Road or the A330.
Sincerely,
Andrew Cormie
Chairman Holyport Residents Association
To RBWM Bray Ward Councillors and Bray Parish Councillors,
You are already aware that meetings have taken place between Legoland and RBWM - and in the past Cllr Hill has given you information on Legoland's attempted traffic trials.
Information on this is outlined in the SUMMARY below and on the HRA website http://www.holyportresidentsassociation.org/legoland-traffic.html under tab "Local Items" and "Legoland Traffic" - where the text of this email is repeated.
It seems wrong that some RBWM Councillors are assisting Legoland to cause traffic difficulties for an area represented by other RBWM Councillors.
I believe I am acting in the best interests of Bray Parish Residents in asking RBWM Bray Ward Councillors and Bray Parish Council to make clear to all RBWM Councillors and to Legoland that they will never accept the placement of any road signs or wording placed on Motorway signs routing Legoland traffic through Bray Parish, and will not ever agree that there are any official Legoland routes from or to Legoland via Oakley Green Road, Forest Green Road, Drift Road or the A330.
Sincerely,
Andrew Cormie
Chairman Holyport Residents Association
SUMMARY
In Blogs dated 15 Aug 2014 and 22 Sep 2014 I wrote about the Legoland and RBWM traffic trials that attempted to divert Legoland traffic from M4 J8/9 onto the A330 to reach Legoland via Drift Road and Winkfield Road.
IT NOW APPEARS THAT THERE IS A GRAVE RISK THAT MUCH LEGOLAND TRAFFIC WILL BE PERMANENTLY DIVERTED THROUGH HOLYPORT. BY COPY OF THIS I ASK THAT HOLYPORT AREA RESIDENTS SHOULD TAKE URGENT INDIVIDUAL ACTION TO CLEARLY ADVISE RBWM OF THEIR CONCERNS.
In June 2015 Legoland held an exhibition aimed firstly at RBWM Ward Councillors and Parish Councillors and secondly for the general public - to gain support for their expansion proposals. This is against the background of RBWM refusal of planning permission for their intended "Haunted House" expansion, against which Legoland have appealed to the Government's Planning Inspectorate based in Bristol. A Public Inquiry is to be heard in October 2015.
The following button will download a .pdf of the exhibition boards Legoland produced and displayed at that exhibition.
In Blogs dated 15 Aug 2014 and 22 Sep 2014 I wrote about the Legoland and RBWM traffic trials that attempted to divert Legoland traffic from M4 J8/9 onto the A330 to reach Legoland via Drift Road and Winkfield Road.
IT NOW APPEARS THAT THERE IS A GRAVE RISK THAT MUCH LEGOLAND TRAFFIC WILL BE PERMANENTLY DIVERTED THROUGH HOLYPORT. BY COPY OF THIS I ASK THAT HOLYPORT AREA RESIDENTS SHOULD TAKE URGENT INDIVIDUAL ACTION TO CLEARLY ADVISE RBWM OF THEIR CONCERNS.
In June 2015 Legoland held an exhibition aimed firstly at RBWM Ward Councillors and Parish Councillors and secondly for the general public - to gain support for their expansion proposals. This is against the background of RBWM refusal of planning permission for their intended "Haunted House" expansion, against which Legoland have appealed to the Government's Planning Inspectorate based in Bristol. A Public Inquiry is to be heard in October 2015.
The following button will download a .pdf of the exhibition boards Legoland produced and displayed at that exhibition.
Board 6 of the above states;
LEGOLAND’s Signage Trials
In 2013 LEGOLAND Windsor established a multi-agency working group with highway representatives from the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead, Bracknell Forest Council, Surrey County Council and Highways England. A series of traffic trials took place in 2014 to examine whether signing alternative routes to and from the Resort would reduce the impact on the already busy routes, particularly, Imperial Road and Winkfield Road. The results of the trials show that traffic was successfully redistributed as 18% of vehicles (over 1,000) arriving at the Resort came from the south and via the alternative signed routes.
Board 7 states;
Future Measures - As well as Routes 1 and 2 which have been implemented and/or agreed, the multi-agency working group is seeking to progress Route 3 (shown on the below plan by the green line) of the signage trials. This route comes from Junction 8/9 of the M4, via the A330 Ascot Road/Drift Road and approach to the LEGOLAND Windsor Resort from the south. The group is discussing with relevant Councillors and the Highway Authorities to agree Route 3 so that it can be implemented permanently. LEGOLAND Windsor and the multi-agency working group continue to meet to ensure the routes are continuously reviewed and other transport measures are discussed. One idea is for changes to the LEGOLAND entrance roundabout to allow more efficient filtering of traffic in and out of the Resort.
Board 8 states;
LEGOLAND Windsor Resort has purchased part of St Leonards Farm, including the fields immediately adjoining LEGOLAND’s overflow car parks and the main farm buildings complex. The additional piece of land has been purchased to support our long term short breaks accommodation strategy. This would meet both our aspirations, and those of the Council, to increase overnight stays in the Windsor area given its significant tourism offer. We will also review the existing farm buildings complex to see how use can be made of this area for additional storage and workshops. We will aim to manage the traffic and access arrangements to the new land and this will be a key consideration as we develop our long term proposals for the land. However, more visitors staying on-site and staying for longer, means reduced daily trips to and from the Resort. LEGOLAND Windsor Resort has only recently completed the purchase of this land, therefore, we are at a very early stage in considering our options. As our long term proposals develop, we will keep the local community informed through further public consultation events.
Board 9 states;
We will continue to take an active role in the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead new Local Plan and the Bray and Windsor Neighbourhood Plan processes. We will be working to ensure that our future plans fit in with the vision for the Borough as set out in these key documents. We hope to be speaking to the community again later in the year to make sure you are kept up to date with our future plans.
My comments;
1. Route 3 of the traffic trials referred to was unsuccessful as the motorway signs that should have advised traffic to depart the M4 at J 8/9 mostly did not give that information. This being the case, there was no change to traffic - basically the trial just did not happen. Nevertheless, both Legoland and RBWM reported it as a success. Later though, an RBWM traffic department representative was heard admitting that it had failed. The following shows the proposed Route 3;
LEGOLAND’s Signage Trials
In 2013 LEGOLAND Windsor established a multi-agency working group with highway representatives from the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead, Bracknell Forest Council, Surrey County Council and Highways England. A series of traffic trials took place in 2014 to examine whether signing alternative routes to and from the Resort would reduce the impact on the already busy routes, particularly, Imperial Road and Winkfield Road. The results of the trials show that traffic was successfully redistributed as 18% of vehicles (over 1,000) arriving at the Resort came from the south and via the alternative signed routes.
Board 7 states;
Future Measures - As well as Routes 1 and 2 which have been implemented and/or agreed, the multi-agency working group is seeking to progress Route 3 (shown on the below plan by the green line) of the signage trials. This route comes from Junction 8/9 of the M4, via the A330 Ascot Road/Drift Road and approach to the LEGOLAND Windsor Resort from the south. The group is discussing with relevant Councillors and the Highway Authorities to agree Route 3 so that it can be implemented permanently. LEGOLAND Windsor and the multi-agency working group continue to meet to ensure the routes are continuously reviewed and other transport measures are discussed. One idea is for changes to the LEGOLAND entrance roundabout to allow more efficient filtering of traffic in and out of the Resort.
Board 8 states;
LEGOLAND Windsor Resort has purchased part of St Leonards Farm, including the fields immediately adjoining LEGOLAND’s overflow car parks and the main farm buildings complex. The additional piece of land has been purchased to support our long term short breaks accommodation strategy. This would meet both our aspirations, and those of the Council, to increase overnight stays in the Windsor area given its significant tourism offer. We will also review the existing farm buildings complex to see how use can be made of this area for additional storage and workshops. We will aim to manage the traffic and access arrangements to the new land and this will be a key consideration as we develop our long term proposals for the land. However, more visitors staying on-site and staying for longer, means reduced daily trips to and from the Resort. LEGOLAND Windsor Resort has only recently completed the purchase of this land, therefore, we are at a very early stage in considering our options. As our long term proposals develop, we will keep the local community informed through further public consultation events.
Board 9 states;
We will continue to take an active role in the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead new Local Plan and the Bray and Windsor Neighbourhood Plan processes. We will be working to ensure that our future plans fit in with the vision for the Borough as set out in these key documents. We hope to be speaking to the community again later in the year to make sure you are kept up to date with our future plans.
My comments;
1. Route 3 of the traffic trials referred to was unsuccessful as the motorway signs that should have advised traffic to depart the M4 at J 8/9 mostly did not give that information. This being the case, there was no change to traffic - basically the trial just did not happen. Nevertheless, both Legoland and RBWM reported it as a success. Later though, an RBWM traffic department representative was heard admitting that it had failed. The following shows the proposed Route 3;
2. Legoland refer to a "multi-agency working group with highway representatives from the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead, Bracknell Forest Council, Surrey County Council and Highways England", and state that this group is discussing with "relevant Councillors" and the Highway Authorities to agree Route 3 so that it can be implemented permanently. It is notable that the membership of this "multi-agency group" does not include any of our RBWM Bray Parish Ward Councillors through whose area Legoland propose to send their customer traffic. It is good that our Councillors have not been involved, but they must now act to quash any supposition that Route 3 could ever be agreed.
3. The following button will download a .pdf of minutes of a meeting that identifies at least some of the multi-agency group and we see that the only RBWM Councillor is Cllr Hill. Section 3 of these minutes is of most interest.
3. The following button will download a .pdf of minutes of a meeting that identifies at least some of the multi-agency group and we see that the only RBWM Councillor is Cllr Hill. Section 3 of these minutes is of most interest.
In these minutes "Technical Note 03" is mentioned - the following button will download a .pdf of it;
In Section 3 of these minutes all attendees are minuted as having agreed the content of Technical Note 03. However Cllr Hill indicated that Cllr Burbage wanted a full and detailed report on the traffic trials.
4. In the review shown by the .pdf available from the following button, section 2.4 onwards discusses the M4 J8/9 trials. It can be seen that there were many comments/complaints, the answers to which seem to me to be inconsistent / confusing. The response to point 7 refers to data from the Highways Agency - but data supplied to me did not cover the dates of the trial.
4. In the review shown by the .pdf available from the following button, section 2.4 onwards discusses the M4 J8/9 trials. It can be seen that there were many comments/complaints, the answers to which seem to me to be inconsistent / confusing. The response to point 7 refers to data from the Highways Agency - but data supplied to me did not cover the dates of the trial.
5. The following button will download a .pdf identifying a "Task and Finish Group";
the RBWM members of which are;
Cllr Jesse Grey (Chair) Ward Member for Datchet
Cllr Natasha Airey Ward Member for Park
Cllr John Fido Ward Member for Clewer North
Cllr Eileen Quick Ward Member for Clewer East
Ben Smith Strategic Manager - Highways and Transport
Michael Llewelyn Cabinet Policy Assistant
NOTE THAT THERE IS NO RBWM BRAY WARD REPRESENTATIVE AND NO REPRESENTATIVE FROM BRAY PARISH COUNCIL.
These Councillors and Council Officers, who clearly have no interest in the well-being of residents of Bray Parish, are deciding the future of traffic through the Bray Parish and Holyport Area and this has included; "Investigations have been undertaken on a possible exit-only link road between Hemwood Road and St Leonard’s Hill to alleviate traffic problems for residents."
It would appear that any route from this locality would require a new road through Green Belt land and/or Crown Estate Land which would have to lead to either Oakley Green Road (and thence to Forest Green Road) or to Drift Road, both of which would add to traffic on the A330 through Holyport.
Legoland's Board 8 information about their purchase of part of St Leonards farm may have a connection to their aspiration to create the new access road.
6. Legoland state : "We will continue to take an active role in the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead new Local Plan and the Bray and Windsor Neighbourhood Plan processes. We will be working to ensure that our future plans fit in with the vision for the Borough as set out in these key documents."
Our Local Ward Councillors Cllr Burbage, Cllr Coppinger and Cllr Walters, have indicated that they are concerned and one has written to Legoland; "Whilst I appreciate all the benefits that you bring you need to be aware that my residents demand that I fight for them to stop any future exit either to the Drift Road or to Oakley Green Road."
I am concerned that as expressed in their Board 9, Legoland ARE INFLUENCING THE BOROUGH LOCAL PLAN AND NEIGHBOURHOOD DEVELOPMENT PLANS PERHAPS WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR RBWM WARD COUNCILLORS AND OUR BRAY PARISH COUNCILLORS.
Sincerely,
Andrew Cormie
Chairman Holyport Residents Association
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TO ALL BRAY PARISH RESIDENTS
I believe that it is now essential that we residents give a clear indication to our three RBWM Ward Councillors and our Bray Parish Councillors of our rejection of extra traffic through our areas. This will give our Councillors the authority to act on our behalf to make it absolutely clear to Legoland and the other RBWM Councillors, and to build into the Borough Local Plan and the Bray Parish Neighbourhood Development Plan, that new routes that impose more traffic on the Bray Parish roads (Drift Road, Oakley Green Road, Forest Green Road, A330 and A308) are not acceptable to residents and will not ever be agreed.
Would all residents who agree with me please email (with copy to me at usual email address) their objections to all proposals that would increase traffic in our area to all three of our RBWM Ward Councillors;
David Burbage cllr.burbage@rbwm.gov.uk
David Coppinger cllr.coppinger@rbwm.gov.uk
Leo Walters cllr.walters@rbwm.gov.uk
and to;
clerk@brayparishcouncil.gov.uk for the attention of all of our Bray Parish Councillors.
Cllr Jesse Grey (Chair) Ward Member for Datchet
Cllr Natasha Airey Ward Member for Park
Cllr John Fido Ward Member for Clewer North
Cllr Eileen Quick Ward Member for Clewer East
Ben Smith Strategic Manager - Highways and Transport
Michael Llewelyn Cabinet Policy Assistant
NOTE THAT THERE IS NO RBWM BRAY WARD REPRESENTATIVE AND NO REPRESENTATIVE FROM BRAY PARISH COUNCIL.
These Councillors and Council Officers, who clearly have no interest in the well-being of residents of Bray Parish, are deciding the future of traffic through the Bray Parish and Holyport Area and this has included; "Investigations have been undertaken on a possible exit-only link road between Hemwood Road and St Leonard’s Hill to alleviate traffic problems for residents."
It would appear that any route from this locality would require a new road through Green Belt land and/or Crown Estate Land which would have to lead to either Oakley Green Road (and thence to Forest Green Road) or to Drift Road, both of which would add to traffic on the A330 through Holyport.
Legoland's Board 8 information about their purchase of part of St Leonards farm may have a connection to their aspiration to create the new access road.
6. Legoland state : "We will continue to take an active role in the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead new Local Plan and the Bray and Windsor Neighbourhood Plan processes. We will be working to ensure that our future plans fit in with the vision for the Borough as set out in these key documents."
Our Local Ward Councillors Cllr Burbage, Cllr Coppinger and Cllr Walters, have indicated that they are concerned and one has written to Legoland; "Whilst I appreciate all the benefits that you bring you need to be aware that my residents demand that I fight for them to stop any future exit either to the Drift Road or to Oakley Green Road."
I am concerned that as expressed in their Board 9, Legoland ARE INFLUENCING THE BOROUGH LOCAL PLAN AND NEIGHBOURHOOD DEVELOPMENT PLANS PERHAPS WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR RBWM WARD COUNCILLORS AND OUR BRAY PARISH COUNCILLORS.
Sincerely,
Andrew Cormie
Chairman Holyport Residents Association
__________________________________________________________________________________________
TO ALL BRAY PARISH RESIDENTS
I believe that it is now essential that we residents give a clear indication to our three RBWM Ward Councillors and our Bray Parish Councillors of our rejection of extra traffic through our areas. This will give our Councillors the authority to act on our behalf to make it absolutely clear to Legoland and the other RBWM Councillors, and to build into the Borough Local Plan and the Bray Parish Neighbourhood Development Plan, that new routes that impose more traffic on the Bray Parish roads (Drift Road, Oakley Green Road, Forest Green Road, A330 and A308) are not acceptable to residents and will not ever be agreed.
Would all residents who agree with me please email (with copy to me at usual email address) their objections to all proposals that would increase traffic in our area to all three of our RBWM Ward Councillors;
David Burbage cllr.burbage@rbwm.gov.uk
David Coppinger cllr.coppinger@rbwm.gov.uk
Leo Walters cllr.walters@rbwm.gov.uk
and to;
clerk@brayparishcouncil.gov.uk for the attention of all of our Bray Parish Councillors.
The following section shows emails sent by residents to RBWM Ward Councillors and to Bray Parish Council. Only three were against my proposal. They are shown in alternating colours of black and red merely to distinguish them from each other. They are shown in reverse order of receipt - oldest at the bottom - newest at top.
Having been away on holiday, I have only just caught up with the e-mail exchanges relating to the possible routing through Bray Parish of some of the Legoland traffic.
You will all be aware of the existing problems with traffic transiting through the Parish which have been repeatedly raised with RBWM over the last few years. Apart from mobile speed signs occasionally being put up, no solutions have yet been found to the speed, the quantity and the size of vehicles using these minor roads. The imminence of Crossrail plus the dramatic increase in housing development anticipated in North Bracknell can only worsen the situation. I note from David’s response below (point 7) that all three of you “are very concerned about the level of traffic within the Parish especially on the A330” and that you are “finalising a scheme which will limit lorry movements”. This is encouraging if it comes to fruition – other schemes have been discussed in the past which have never become realities, so you will forgive me for retaining a degree of concern that this may happen again. I am also hoping that the result of the scheme is not to just divert such traffic movements away from the A330 onto other roads in Bray Parish.
However, let us assume for a moment that a trial is carried out as suggested and that the increase in traffic is less than feared. This may then result in the majority of RBWM Councillors out-voting you three and authorising the routing of some of the Legoland traffic through Bray Parish. Then, once Crossrail and the North Bracknell development creates a further increase in Bray traffic, who is going to turn round to Legoland and reverse the decision? The further impact of Crossrail and North Bracknell must be included in the overall assessment of any trial.
Based on the last trial, which was eventually proved to be poorly run and the results demonstrated to be invalid (in spite of claims to the contrary by the Councillor & RBWM officials responsible), how will anyone be able to decide on the impact of the extra Legoland traffic? There is no point in running a trial unless there is agreement on how the results will be analysed and how any conclusions can be drawn. These must be published and agreed in advance.
I support Andrew Cormie’s e-mail of 24 June and, whilst I accept most of the points that are made in David’s e-mail below, I do not think a trial should be undertaken before the details and measurement of results/conclusions have been agreed in advance. Furthermore, the further impact of Crossrail and North Bracknell must be included in the overall assessment. It is no good coming up with a solution to the Legoland problem in Windsor, only to be faced with an even greater problem in Bray Parish in two years’ time.
It should be suggested that legoland traffic travelling east down M4 should come off at Junc 10 and use the dual carriageways put in place to take traffic on the ring roads, instead of through Bracknell. These roads will take traffic to Legoland more directly and majority of use will be at weekends, it's a much better route as it takes the traffic away from Windsor town centre which is so popular now. By the way Windsor racecourse traffic is mainly Mondays.
Re: Legoland – I saw the response from David Coppinger. To be honest, I agree with him that a trial as to the traffic implications seems to be the best way forward as long as it is run correctly. The previous one was a mess! I feel you do need hard evidence in these matters. Happy to write on that basis.
Whilst we appreciate your efforts to ensure that Holyport remains a delightful place for its residents, Cllr Coppinger makes a very reasonable case below. The Bray Parish Council, as well as the RBWM Council, also have a duty to consider the wider picture, and how the parish and our village relate to the economic and social development (and conservation) of the area.
I have received several emails from Andrew Cormie on behalf of the Holyport Residents Association as well as receiving a call from a concerned Councillor with regard to a proposal sent to RBWM from the owners of Legoland to allow signage on primary routes including M4 directing traffic through Holyport via the A330 as a preferred access to Legoland.
I know other Ward Councillors are privately against this proposal but please could you all collectively reassure Andrew Cormie representing Holyport Residents Association members as well as other residents of Holyport that you will all vehemently voice against any such proposal.
You have all individually supported the issue of safety concerns regarding weight, speed and volume of traffic on the A330 at various times over many years, albeit with absolutely no effect whatsoever. You now have the opportunity to voice your concerns once again.
At the beginning of March and only with intervention from residents, we finally managed to get an agreement with funding from RBWM to implement a 7.5 tonne weight limit (unless for access) through Holyport. Six months on and nothing has happened to honour that agreement! Nor has the promised traffic survey to give a realistic view to speeds, weight and volume of existing traffic as well as giving an insight to predicted future modelling. You are all well aware of the conditions of the previous farcical survey.
With future plans to physically increase the development size at Legoland both with scale of hotel and theme park, if signs were placed to encourage a route via A330, surely this would defeat our objective in making the roads in Holyport safer. The enforceable 7.5 tonne weight limit would cause unnecessary confusion and fines for the drivers of any Legoland construction HGVs using it for access. It wouldn’t take long for users to realise that the more direct route would be to turn left by The Lodge and travel via Moneyrow Green and Forest Green Road.
To actively encourage Legoland traffic through Holyport would be in complete contradiction to everything we’ve been trying to achieve.
I am writing to you to let you know as a resident of Holyport I disagree very strongly about the prospect of Legoland traffic being directed through the Bray and Holyport Parrish. The roads and area are just not suitable for this. I understand that you have received an email from Andrew Cormie on the 24th of June 2015. I would like to confirm that I agree with his points and support his views.
Protest Against Legoland Proposals to send traffic through Bray Parish and Holyport
I moved with my family from Bray to the Ascot Road in Holyport just under 3 years ago and since then have been absolutely astounded at the amount of traffic passing along the Ascot Road, frequently at speed and at the number of HGV vehicles using this route.
You will be aware from my previous correspondence that I have been involved with ************ and ********** in collating a report with photographs to submit to all Councillors and the RBWM Highways Department. You will have seen from the photographs and from the letters how dangerous this road is with vehicles mounting the pavement simply to be able to pass each other in the narrow stretch of road between the Holyport Green and Cresswells Farm. I have witnessed pedestrians and dog walkers having to jump off the pavement into driveways to avoid being hit. Only last weekend my daughter had to mount the pavement in her car to avoid a lorry which had cut the corner and traversed a white line. My daughter burst a tyre as a result for which the RAC had to be called to move her vehicle.
As our representative Councillors, I urge you to oppose Legoland proposals to place permanent signs on the M4 and on Bray parish roads to divert Legoland traffic via the A330 and the Drift Road. I also oppose all trials for the same.
Dear Councillors, I am writing to you to say that I fully support the protest regarding Legoland traffic made by Andrew Cormie in his email dated the 24th of June sent on behalf of Holyport Residents Association,.
The current levels of traffic are already too great for our local road structure and are at an un acceptable level. Therefore any plans that further increase the burden on our local roads should not be considered without commensurate plans to improve our local road network.
As a resident of Ascot Road, Holyport between the village green and the M4 motorway bridge I feel it is essential that I write to you to agree with everything Andrew Cormie has said to you . The part of the Ascot Road I live in is already overwhelmed with traffic at certain times of the day and only people who live in this area are aware of this . There are many times I cannot get out of my driveway because of the amount of traffic . Also the size of some of the lorries means that traffic sometimes has to mount the pavement to pass each other . You would have to live in this part of the Ascot road to observe this.
I am writing to you as a long term resident of Holyport who has concerns around the proposals for Legoland traffic to be directed through Bray Parish. I am in agreement with the email sent to you by Andrew Cormie on 24th June.
This is to inform you that I fully endorse the statements made by Andrew Cormie in his e-mail to you dated 24 June in his capacity as Chairman of Holyport Residents' Association.
I trust that you will act on behalf of residents in the Parish to make it absolutely clear to Legoland and to other RBWM Councillors that it is unacceptable to impose extra traffic on Bray Parish roads in this manner, in particular Drift Road, Oakley Green Road, A330 and A308 which are already taking more through traffic than they were ever designed for. This will solve nothing but merely seeks to move the problem elsewhere.
Speeds on Oakley Green Road and the A330 are already too high and should be reduced to 40 mph. Oakley Green Road is particularly unsafe for pedestrians and horse riders given the speeds at which traffic uses the road and lack of a footpath alongside the road in parts. Expansion of schools in the area is already impacting adversely on traffic levels and this looks set to become worse. I do not wish to see further urbanisation of our country roads with resulting demands for more road "improvements", signage clutter and associated lighting pollution.
I call on you to reject outright any signage trials as currently proposed and to represent the best interests of Bray residents.
I should like to pledge my support to Andrew Cormies email to you regarding the proposed routing of Legoland traffic dated 24th June 2015. I feel it should be rejected as our village already suffers enough traffic as it is!
This email is to confirm that we support the email sent to you by Andrew Cormie on the 24th June re Protest Against Legoland Proposals to Send their Traffic Through Bray Parish.
I am a resident of Holyport, and I confirm that I agree with Andrew Cormie’s email to you dated 24th June 2015, regarding legoland traffic proposals.
I wish to show my support in protest against LEGOLAND Proposals to send traffic through Bray Parish and Holyport. I confirm that I agree with Andrew Cormie's email dated 24th June 2015.
I write confirming I am in agreement with Andrew Cormie letter dated 24th June 2015 regarding the extra road traffic caused by the Legoland traffic proposal.
This email is to confirm that we totally agree with Andrew Cormie's comments below, emailed to you on the 24th June 2015.
We wish to inform you that we totally agree with the views expressed in Mr Cormie’s e-mail dated 24 June 2015.
As Ascot Road residents who have already campaigned to reduce the volume and weight of traffic we currently endure, it will come as no surprise to know that we very much support Andrew's email regarding the threat of yet more traffic being directed through the village. The Legoland proposals are entirely unacceptable, and we strongly oppose them.
I am writing to inform you that both my wife and myself agree with Andrew Cormie's email of 24 June. The traffic through Holyport village has already reached unacceptable levels. For example, I have a journey in rush hour twice a week to Rickmansworth via M4 and M25. Although those two motorways are renowned for heavy traffic, it now can take me as long to get out of the village as it does for the rest of my journey. We should be looking to relieve the pressure, and not allow it to be added to. I hope we can rely on your and your fellow councillors support.
I am writing to give my support to Andrew’s letter. As a resident of Holyport and someone who has lived on the A330 for 10yrs the increase in traffic is phenomenal and it's getting increasingly dangerous to even join the road from my location with the blind bends and speed some of the cars go through at. Additionally the increase in trucks, lorries and coaches going through what is in places a very narrow road is increasing the number of smashed wing mirrors, mounting of pavements which is making it already dangerous for pedestrians. You need to sort the existing traffic problems in the area not increase the issue!
We both feel it is imperative that no additional traffic is sent through Holyport village in the future. A ringroad or similar system is long overdue.
We agree with Andrew Cormie's Email to you dated 24th June 2015 under the same subject heading that we do not wish to see an increase in traffic through the already busy Bray Parish that would be as a result of the proposals to re-route traffic to/from Legoland.
Following Andrew Cormie’s recent email regarding Legoland and the proposed extra traffic being diverted through Bray I would also like to express my major concerns at any increase in traffic through promoted routes.
I understand from local documentation that the trial completed previously was stated as a success but systematic failings of the correct information being posted means that any results from this trial must be disregarded.
The Bray parish is already subject to multiple routes that commuters use on a daily basis, with a flagrant disregard for traffic laws. As the father of a young family it is often the case of taking your life in your hands trying to cross any of the roads in the area, as a driver in these areas driving at the speed limit I have been overtaken and often has cars putting pressure on to increase my speed. But that is a point for another day.
The proposed route through the village and past the green is an extremely busy road already and further traffic will only cause further chaos on these roads. As with any diversion cars will always look for a short cut rather than the way a traffic sign will promote.
Therefore, I can only assume roads such as the Windsor Road, Holyport Road and Moneyrow Green will all see an increase in traffic alongside the roads proposed as a new route, and therefore local residents impacted further.
I cannot believe any working group set up would not include local parish councillors who would be able to put forward the views of local residents, but having experienced certain reports in the past it is often easier for working groups to not actually include anyone who may be affected by proposed changes as the decisions may be questioned and debated rather than being passed by majority decision. Alongside this lack or representation and a trial that just didn’t happen, how can we proceed with the proposed changes?
Noting the information above and my concern for green belt land not to be developed please accept this email as a protest, by a Holyport resident, to any changes that promotes increased traffic through the Bray and more specifically Holyport area.
Please feel free to contact me regarding any points that I have raised but by no means is this a finite list.
We would like to thank you for your dedication in bringing to our attention various concerns that are likely to affect Holyport residents.
Having written to the Bray Parish councillors as suggested about the Legoland traffic, we also intend to comment on the Bray Neighbourhood Plan. We will be supporting your rejection of the current phrasing.
As members of the HRA we have had the opportunity to consider the proposals from Legoland to route traffic through Bray Parish and also Andrew Cormie's letter to you dated 24 June 2015. We wish you to note that we fully endorse Mr Cormie's comments.
I'm a Bray Parish resident and I'm writing to support Andrew Cormie's email dated 24th June 2015 and entitled "PROTEST AGAINST LEGOLAND PROPOSALS TO SEND THEIR TRAFFIC THROUGH BRAY PARISH".
I would like to add my support to Andrew Cormie’s email to you, dated 24/06/2015, protesting against the proposed routing of Legoland traffic through the Parish of Bray.
I am a member of the Holyport Residents Association
You will no doubt have seen the initial e-mail from the Chairman Mr Andrew Cormie who sets out in his message of the 24th June 2015 a number of relevant and pertinent reasons why it is not appropriate that permission is given for the erection of signs on the M4 motorway and other adjacent roads directing traffic to use roads within the Bray Parish Council area on route to/exiting the Legoland resort.
I find it particular difficult to understand how previous negotiations with the resort management have been conducted without representations from those council members who represent the residents who will be directly affected by these proposals.
I would therefore urge you to consider the facts in respect of this matter and to directly oppose any further 'trials' or actions that would allow the directing of traffic through the borough thus extending its residents to more problems.
I ask the Clerk to forward this message to all of the Bray Parish Councillors
As Holyport residents we agree fully with the email sent to you by Andrew Cormie concerning the road proposals for the traffic going to Legoland. Traffic using the A330 and the other roads going through the village is already over-capacity and further traffic will cause many more problems. There are two schools situated on two of the roads mentioned - Holyport Primary on Holyport Road and Holyport College on the A330, and now much of the traffic exceeds the speed limits on these roads. The solution is to build another road from the M4 by-passing Holyport village.
I thought I would email you just to say I will not be contacting Councillors in support of your email.
Whilst I agree that the role of local residents associations and in the case of Bray and Holyport , Bray Parish Councillors should be to lobby on local issues effecting their residents the role of the borough councillor is somewhat different more so if they have a Cabinet position . Borough councillors must take decisions in the best interest of all the borough residents whilst "trying " to obtain the best result for their ward .
Having attended all the public meetings of the Bray Parish Council since the last election it is clear to me that there are divisions in that some are acting as local Parish Councillors others do not . The current structure of BPC is not in my view the best for dealing with strictly local issues , Borough Councillors in my view should not serve on Parish Councils.
I wish you luck in your campaign.
LEGOLAND traffic routing.
I agree with the content of Andrew Cormie's e-mail to yourselves dated 24th June 2015.
I agree with Andrew Cormie's email to you dated 24th June 2015.
This email is to confirm that I fully agree with Andrew Cormie's email below, with regards to increased traffic through the Bray Parish. As a resident of Holyport, this is deeply concerning given the fact that traffic levels are already far too high.
Dear sirs, I am a resident of Bray Parish and fully support Mr Andrew Cormie's message below.
Please, no more traffic without appropriate infrastructure.
Please note that I strongly object to the possibility of plans being made to propose Legoland traffic be routed through Bray parish.
This has been highlighted to me by Andrew Cormie & I fully support his views as he has already expressed to yourselves.
It is a good job that Andrew continually has his eye on the ball for the HRA - otherwise, as all too often these matters are not properly publicised so as to be fully visible before it is too late!
As a resident of Holyport I wish to make it known that I am in agreement with Andrew Cormie's email dated 24th June 2015. The A330 through Holyport Village is far to small to be a major tourist route.
Please note that I am very concerned about the proposals to send Legoland traffic through the Bray parish.
I DO agree with the concerns raised by Andrew Cormie in his email to you dated 24th June 2015 (reproduced below), and would ask that you pay attention to these concerns.
The A330 is already very busy and too narrow in places (especially the Hearne Drive area) to support its existing traffic payload. It would not tolerate the additional payload, and would be positively dangerous.
Please make my objections and concerns known to all Bray Parish Councillors.
I agree with Andrew Cormie with regard to Traffic in Holyport
E mail sent to all 4
For the attention of all of our Bray Parish Councillors
I completely agree with Andrew Cormie’s email to you dated 24th June 2015, in respect of the rejection of extra traffic through our already over congested area. New routes that impose more traffic on the Bray Parish roads are not, repeat not, acceptable.
I confirm that I agree with Andrew Cormie's email with regard to the protest against the above LEGOLAND proposals.
Dear Sirs
This is to say that we agree with Andrew Cormie's email dated 24th June 2015 to the Holyport Residents Association in which he addresses this issue.
Having been Holyport residents for 40 years we are fed up with the change in all traffic through such a small village with a narrow single lane road, namely the Ascot Road through Holyport
We would be grateful to you if it could be made clear to anyone in touch with LEGOLAND and to the other RBWM Councillors; and to build into the Borough Local Plan and the Bray Parish Neighbourhood Development
Plan, that new routes that impose more traffic on the Bray Parish roads
(Drift Road, Oakley Green Road, A330 and A308) are not acceptable to
residents and will not ever be agreed.
Dear All,
Further to Andrew Cormie's email below, I confirm that I support his views and do not want LEGOLAND traffic to be redirected through Bray Parish.
There is far too much traffic already in this area if the redirection were to go ahead it would make it virtually impossible to travel in the Parish.
Please seek alternative access to LEGOLAND.
FAO: All Bray Parish Councillors.
Following Andrew Cormie's e-mail, and as a member of HRA, I absolutely agree with him that we should not allow traffic for LEGOLAND to be diverted through Holyport & the surrounding area of Bray Parish.
I would like to add my NO vote to the proposed scheme of traffic being used for Legoland through the drift road, oakley green road, A330 and the A308.
This proposal is untenable.
To whom it may concern,
I agree with the email sent from Andrew Cormie on 24th June 2015
I have sent the following to our councillors:-
Dear Councillor,
I am in full agreement with Mr Andrew Cormie's objection to the routing of Legoland traffic through Holyport Village. It is difficult enough getting out of ***** ***** at the moment. No more please.
I am writing to confirm that my husband and I agree with Andrew Cormie's email to you dated 24th June 2015.
I CAN CONFIRM THAT I AGREE WITH ANDREW CORMIE'S EMAIL
TO THEM DATED 24TH JUNE 2015.
You will all be aware of the existing problems with traffic transiting through the Parish which have been repeatedly raised with RBWM over the last few years. Apart from mobile speed signs occasionally being put up, no solutions have yet been found to the speed, the quantity and the size of vehicles using these minor roads. The imminence of Crossrail plus the dramatic increase in housing development anticipated in North Bracknell can only worsen the situation. I note from David’s response below (point 7) that all three of you “are very concerned about the level of traffic within the Parish especially on the A330” and that you are “finalising a scheme which will limit lorry movements”. This is encouraging if it comes to fruition – other schemes have been discussed in the past which have never become realities, so you will forgive me for retaining a degree of concern that this may happen again. I am also hoping that the result of the scheme is not to just divert such traffic movements away from the A330 onto other roads in Bray Parish.
However, let us assume for a moment that a trial is carried out as suggested and that the increase in traffic is less than feared. This may then result in the majority of RBWM Councillors out-voting you three and authorising the routing of some of the Legoland traffic through Bray Parish. Then, once Crossrail and the North Bracknell development creates a further increase in Bray traffic, who is going to turn round to Legoland and reverse the decision? The further impact of Crossrail and North Bracknell must be included in the overall assessment of any trial.
Based on the last trial, which was eventually proved to be poorly run and the results demonstrated to be invalid (in spite of claims to the contrary by the Councillor & RBWM officials responsible), how will anyone be able to decide on the impact of the extra Legoland traffic? There is no point in running a trial unless there is agreement on how the results will be analysed and how any conclusions can be drawn. These must be published and agreed in advance.
I support Andrew Cormie’s e-mail of 24 June and, whilst I accept most of the points that are made in David’s e-mail below, I do not think a trial should be undertaken before the details and measurement of results/conclusions have been agreed in advance. Furthermore, the further impact of Crossrail and North Bracknell must be included in the overall assessment. It is no good coming up with a solution to the Legoland problem in Windsor, only to be faced with an even greater problem in Bray Parish in two years’ time.
It should be suggested that legoland traffic travelling east down M4 should come off at Junc 10 and use the dual carriageways put in place to take traffic on the ring roads, instead of through Bracknell. These roads will take traffic to Legoland more directly and majority of use will be at weekends, it's a much better route as it takes the traffic away from Windsor town centre which is so popular now. By the way Windsor racecourse traffic is mainly Mondays.
Re: Legoland – I saw the response from David Coppinger. To be honest, I agree with him that a trial as to the traffic implications seems to be the best way forward as long as it is run correctly. The previous one was a mess! I feel you do need hard evidence in these matters. Happy to write on that basis.
Whilst we appreciate your efforts to ensure that Holyport remains a delightful place for its residents, Cllr Coppinger makes a very reasonable case below. The Bray Parish Council, as well as the RBWM Council, also have a duty to consider the wider picture, and how the parish and our village relate to the economic and social development (and conservation) of the area.
I have received several emails from Andrew Cormie on behalf of the Holyport Residents Association as well as receiving a call from a concerned Councillor with regard to a proposal sent to RBWM from the owners of Legoland to allow signage on primary routes including M4 directing traffic through Holyport via the A330 as a preferred access to Legoland.
I know other Ward Councillors are privately against this proposal but please could you all collectively reassure Andrew Cormie representing Holyport Residents Association members as well as other residents of Holyport that you will all vehemently voice against any such proposal.
You have all individually supported the issue of safety concerns regarding weight, speed and volume of traffic on the A330 at various times over many years, albeit with absolutely no effect whatsoever. You now have the opportunity to voice your concerns once again.
At the beginning of March and only with intervention from residents, we finally managed to get an agreement with funding from RBWM to implement a 7.5 tonne weight limit (unless for access) through Holyport. Six months on and nothing has happened to honour that agreement! Nor has the promised traffic survey to give a realistic view to speeds, weight and volume of existing traffic as well as giving an insight to predicted future modelling. You are all well aware of the conditions of the previous farcical survey.
With future plans to physically increase the development size at Legoland both with scale of hotel and theme park, if signs were placed to encourage a route via A330, surely this would defeat our objective in making the roads in Holyport safer. The enforceable 7.5 tonne weight limit would cause unnecessary confusion and fines for the drivers of any Legoland construction HGVs using it for access. It wouldn’t take long for users to realise that the more direct route would be to turn left by The Lodge and travel via Moneyrow Green and Forest Green Road.
To actively encourage Legoland traffic through Holyport would be in complete contradiction to everything we’ve been trying to achieve.
I am writing to you to let you know as a resident of Holyport I disagree very strongly about the prospect of Legoland traffic being directed through the Bray and Holyport Parrish. The roads and area are just not suitable for this. I understand that you have received an email from Andrew Cormie on the 24th of June 2015. I would like to confirm that I agree with his points and support his views.
Protest Against Legoland Proposals to send traffic through Bray Parish and Holyport
I moved with my family from Bray to the Ascot Road in Holyport just under 3 years ago and since then have been absolutely astounded at the amount of traffic passing along the Ascot Road, frequently at speed and at the number of HGV vehicles using this route.
You will be aware from my previous correspondence that I have been involved with ************ and ********** in collating a report with photographs to submit to all Councillors and the RBWM Highways Department. You will have seen from the photographs and from the letters how dangerous this road is with vehicles mounting the pavement simply to be able to pass each other in the narrow stretch of road between the Holyport Green and Cresswells Farm. I have witnessed pedestrians and dog walkers having to jump off the pavement into driveways to avoid being hit. Only last weekend my daughter had to mount the pavement in her car to avoid a lorry which had cut the corner and traversed a white line. My daughter burst a tyre as a result for which the RAC had to be called to move her vehicle.
As our representative Councillors, I urge you to oppose Legoland proposals to place permanent signs on the M4 and on Bray parish roads to divert Legoland traffic via the A330 and the Drift Road. I also oppose all trials for the same.
Dear Councillors, I am writing to you to say that I fully support the protest regarding Legoland traffic made by Andrew Cormie in his email dated the 24th of June sent on behalf of Holyport Residents Association,.
The current levels of traffic are already too great for our local road structure and are at an un acceptable level. Therefore any plans that further increase the burden on our local roads should not be considered without commensurate plans to improve our local road network.
As a resident of Ascot Road, Holyport between the village green and the M4 motorway bridge I feel it is essential that I write to you to agree with everything Andrew Cormie has said to you . The part of the Ascot Road I live in is already overwhelmed with traffic at certain times of the day and only people who live in this area are aware of this . There are many times I cannot get out of my driveway because of the amount of traffic . Also the size of some of the lorries means that traffic sometimes has to mount the pavement to pass each other . You would have to live in this part of the Ascot road to observe this.
I am writing to you as a long term resident of Holyport who has concerns around the proposals for Legoland traffic to be directed through Bray Parish. I am in agreement with the email sent to you by Andrew Cormie on 24th June.
This is to inform you that I fully endorse the statements made by Andrew Cormie in his e-mail to you dated 24 June in his capacity as Chairman of Holyport Residents' Association.
I trust that you will act on behalf of residents in the Parish to make it absolutely clear to Legoland and to other RBWM Councillors that it is unacceptable to impose extra traffic on Bray Parish roads in this manner, in particular Drift Road, Oakley Green Road, A330 and A308 which are already taking more through traffic than they were ever designed for. This will solve nothing but merely seeks to move the problem elsewhere.
Speeds on Oakley Green Road and the A330 are already too high and should be reduced to 40 mph. Oakley Green Road is particularly unsafe for pedestrians and horse riders given the speeds at which traffic uses the road and lack of a footpath alongside the road in parts. Expansion of schools in the area is already impacting adversely on traffic levels and this looks set to become worse. I do not wish to see further urbanisation of our country roads with resulting demands for more road "improvements", signage clutter and associated lighting pollution.
I call on you to reject outright any signage trials as currently proposed and to represent the best interests of Bray residents.
I should like to pledge my support to Andrew Cormies email to you regarding the proposed routing of Legoland traffic dated 24th June 2015. I feel it should be rejected as our village already suffers enough traffic as it is!
This email is to confirm that we support the email sent to you by Andrew Cormie on the 24th June re Protest Against Legoland Proposals to Send their Traffic Through Bray Parish.
I am a resident of Holyport, and I confirm that I agree with Andrew Cormie’s email to you dated 24th June 2015, regarding legoland traffic proposals.
I wish to show my support in protest against LEGOLAND Proposals to send traffic through Bray Parish and Holyport. I confirm that I agree with Andrew Cormie's email dated 24th June 2015.
I write confirming I am in agreement with Andrew Cormie letter dated 24th June 2015 regarding the extra road traffic caused by the Legoland traffic proposal.
This email is to confirm that we totally agree with Andrew Cormie's comments below, emailed to you on the 24th June 2015.
We wish to inform you that we totally agree with the views expressed in Mr Cormie’s e-mail dated 24 June 2015.
As Ascot Road residents who have already campaigned to reduce the volume and weight of traffic we currently endure, it will come as no surprise to know that we very much support Andrew's email regarding the threat of yet more traffic being directed through the village. The Legoland proposals are entirely unacceptable, and we strongly oppose them.
I am writing to inform you that both my wife and myself agree with Andrew Cormie's email of 24 June. The traffic through Holyport village has already reached unacceptable levels. For example, I have a journey in rush hour twice a week to Rickmansworth via M4 and M25. Although those two motorways are renowned for heavy traffic, it now can take me as long to get out of the village as it does for the rest of my journey. We should be looking to relieve the pressure, and not allow it to be added to. I hope we can rely on your and your fellow councillors support.
I am writing to give my support to Andrew’s letter. As a resident of Holyport and someone who has lived on the A330 for 10yrs the increase in traffic is phenomenal and it's getting increasingly dangerous to even join the road from my location with the blind bends and speed some of the cars go through at. Additionally the increase in trucks, lorries and coaches going through what is in places a very narrow road is increasing the number of smashed wing mirrors, mounting of pavements which is making it already dangerous for pedestrians. You need to sort the existing traffic problems in the area not increase the issue!
We both feel it is imperative that no additional traffic is sent through Holyport village in the future. A ringroad or similar system is long overdue.
We agree with Andrew Cormie's Email to you dated 24th June 2015 under the same subject heading that we do not wish to see an increase in traffic through the already busy Bray Parish that would be as a result of the proposals to re-route traffic to/from Legoland.
Following Andrew Cormie’s recent email regarding Legoland and the proposed extra traffic being diverted through Bray I would also like to express my major concerns at any increase in traffic through promoted routes.
I understand from local documentation that the trial completed previously was stated as a success but systematic failings of the correct information being posted means that any results from this trial must be disregarded.
The Bray parish is already subject to multiple routes that commuters use on a daily basis, with a flagrant disregard for traffic laws. As the father of a young family it is often the case of taking your life in your hands trying to cross any of the roads in the area, as a driver in these areas driving at the speed limit I have been overtaken and often has cars putting pressure on to increase my speed. But that is a point for another day.
The proposed route through the village and past the green is an extremely busy road already and further traffic will only cause further chaos on these roads. As with any diversion cars will always look for a short cut rather than the way a traffic sign will promote.
Therefore, I can only assume roads such as the Windsor Road, Holyport Road and Moneyrow Green will all see an increase in traffic alongside the roads proposed as a new route, and therefore local residents impacted further.
I cannot believe any working group set up would not include local parish councillors who would be able to put forward the views of local residents, but having experienced certain reports in the past it is often easier for working groups to not actually include anyone who may be affected by proposed changes as the decisions may be questioned and debated rather than being passed by majority decision. Alongside this lack or representation and a trial that just didn’t happen, how can we proceed with the proposed changes?
Noting the information above and my concern for green belt land not to be developed please accept this email as a protest, by a Holyport resident, to any changes that promotes increased traffic through the Bray and more specifically Holyport area.
Please feel free to contact me regarding any points that I have raised but by no means is this a finite list.
We would like to thank you for your dedication in bringing to our attention various concerns that are likely to affect Holyport residents.
Having written to the Bray Parish councillors as suggested about the Legoland traffic, we also intend to comment on the Bray Neighbourhood Plan. We will be supporting your rejection of the current phrasing.
As members of the HRA we have had the opportunity to consider the proposals from Legoland to route traffic through Bray Parish and also Andrew Cormie's letter to you dated 24 June 2015. We wish you to note that we fully endorse Mr Cormie's comments.
I'm a Bray Parish resident and I'm writing to support Andrew Cormie's email dated 24th June 2015 and entitled "PROTEST AGAINST LEGOLAND PROPOSALS TO SEND THEIR TRAFFIC THROUGH BRAY PARISH".
I would like to add my support to Andrew Cormie’s email to you, dated 24/06/2015, protesting against the proposed routing of Legoland traffic through the Parish of Bray.
I am a member of the Holyport Residents Association
You will no doubt have seen the initial e-mail from the Chairman Mr Andrew Cormie who sets out in his message of the 24th June 2015 a number of relevant and pertinent reasons why it is not appropriate that permission is given for the erection of signs on the M4 motorway and other adjacent roads directing traffic to use roads within the Bray Parish Council area on route to/exiting the Legoland resort.
I find it particular difficult to understand how previous negotiations with the resort management have been conducted without representations from those council members who represent the residents who will be directly affected by these proposals.
I would therefore urge you to consider the facts in respect of this matter and to directly oppose any further 'trials' or actions that would allow the directing of traffic through the borough thus extending its residents to more problems.
I ask the Clerk to forward this message to all of the Bray Parish Councillors
As Holyport residents we agree fully with the email sent to you by Andrew Cormie concerning the road proposals for the traffic going to Legoland. Traffic using the A330 and the other roads going through the village is already over-capacity and further traffic will cause many more problems. There are two schools situated on two of the roads mentioned - Holyport Primary on Holyport Road and Holyport College on the A330, and now much of the traffic exceeds the speed limits on these roads. The solution is to build another road from the M4 by-passing Holyport village.
I thought I would email you just to say I will not be contacting Councillors in support of your email.
Whilst I agree that the role of local residents associations and in the case of Bray and Holyport , Bray Parish Councillors should be to lobby on local issues effecting their residents the role of the borough councillor is somewhat different more so if they have a Cabinet position . Borough councillors must take decisions in the best interest of all the borough residents whilst "trying " to obtain the best result for their ward .
Having attended all the public meetings of the Bray Parish Council since the last election it is clear to me that there are divisions in that some are acting as local Parish Councillors others do not . The current structure of BPC is not in my view the best for dealing with strictly local issues , Borough Councillors in my view should not serve on Parish Councils.
I wish you luck in your campaign.
LEGOLAND traffic routing.
I agree with the content of Andrew Cormie's e-mail to yourselves dated 24th June 2015.
I agree with Andrew Cormie's email to you dated 24th June 2015.
This email is to confirm that I fully agree with Andrew Cormie's email below, with regards to increased traffic through the Bray Parish. As a resident of Holyport, this is deeply concerning given the fact that traffic levels are already far too high.
Dear sirs, I am a resident of Bray Parish and fully support Mr Andrew Cormie's message below.
Please, no more traffic without appropriate infrastructure.
Please note that I strongly object to the possibility of plans being made to propose Legoland traffic be routed through Bray parish.
This has been highlighted to me by Andrew Cormie & I fully support his views as he has already expressed to yourselves.
It is a good job that Andrew continually has his eye on the ball for the HRA - otherwise, as all too often these matters are not properly publicised so as to be fully visible before it is too late!
As a resident of Holyport I wish to make it known that I am in agreement with Andrew Cormie's email dated 24th June 2015. The A330 through Holyport Village is far to small to be a major tourist route.
Please note that I am very concerned about the proposals to send Legoland traffic through the Bray parish.
I DO agree with the concerns raised by Andrew Cormie in his email to you dated 24th June 2015 (reproduced below), and would ask that you pay attention to these concerns.
The A330 is already very busy and too narrow in places (especially the Hearne Drive area) to support its existing traffic payload. It would not tolerate the additional payload, and would be positively dangerous.
Please make my objections and concerns known to all Bray Parish Councillors.
I agree with Andrew Cormie with regard to Traffic in Holyport
E mail sent to all 4
For the attention of all of our Bray Parish Councillors
I completely agree with Andrew Cormie’s email to you dated 24th June 2015, in respect of the rejection of extra traffic through our already over congested area. New routes that impose more traffic on the Bray Parish roads are not, repeat not, acceptable.
I confirm that I agree with Andrew Cormie's email with regard to the protest against the above LEGOLAND proposals.
Dear Sirs
This is to say that we agree with Andrew Cormie's email dated 24th June 2015 to the Holyport Residents Association in which he addresses this issue.
Having been Holyport residents for 40 years we are fed up with the change in all traffic through such a small village with a narrow single lane road, namely the Ascot Road through Holyport
We would be grateful to you if it could be made clear to anyone in touch with LEGOLAND and to the other RBWM Councillors; and to build into the Borough Local Plan and the Bray Parish Neighbourhood Development
Plan, that new routes that impose more traffic on the Bray Parish roads
(Drift Road, Oakley Green Road, A330 and A308) are not acceptable to
residents and will not ever be agreed.
Dear All,
Further to Andrew Cormie's email below, I confirm that I support his views and do not want LEGOLAND traffic to be redirected through Bray Parish.
There is far too much traffic already in this area if the redirection were to go ahead it would make it virtually impossible to travel in the Parish.
Please seek alternative access to LEGOLAND.
FAO: All Bray Parish Councillors.
Following Andrew Cormie's e-mail, and as a member of HRA, I absolutely agree with him that we should not allow traffic for LEGOLAND to be diverted through Holyport & the surrounding area of Bray Parish.
I would like to add my NO vote to the proposed scheme of traffic being used for Legoland through the drift road, oakley green road, A330 and the A308.
This proposal is untenable.
To whom it may concern,
I agree with the email sent from Andrew Cormie on 24th June 2015
I have sent the following to our councillors:-
Dear Councillor,
I am in full agreement with Mr Andrew Cormie's objection to the routing of Legoland traffic through Holyport Village. It is difficult enough getting out of ***** ***** at the moment. No more please.
I am writing to confirm that my husband and I agree with Andrew Cormie's email to you dated 24th June 2015.
I CAN CONFIRM THAT I AGREE WITH ANDREW CORMIE'S EMAIL
TO THEM DATED 24TH JUNE 2015.
Now writing this on 9th July 2015.
During the period from 24th June to 4th July I wrote several emails on the Legoland Traffic topic to RBWM Ward Councillors and Bray Parish Councillors. I had replies, and one reply from Cllr Coppinger was on behalf of all three Bray Ward Councillors. The following button will deliver a PDF of the text of these emails.
During the period from 24th June to 4th July I wrote several emails on the Legoland Traffic topic to RBWM Ward Councillors and Bray Parish Councillors. I had replies, and one reply from Cllr Coppinger was on behalf of all three Bray Ward Councillors. The following button will deliver a PDF of the text of these emails.
On Monday 6th July Bray Parish Council discussed the Legoland Traffic question. The meeting was reported in the 9th July issue of the Maidenhead Advertiser, and it is disappointing to see that the outcome was only a postponement of the trials. Maidenhead Advertiser's article is shown below.
